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  • 1.  Long form and Short Form question

    Posted 05-07-2024 09:48 AM

    Hello,

    Do you use Long Form specs with Short Form specs on the same project? Or is it strictly one or the other. 

    Thanks!



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    Zindy Agredo RA, CSI, AIA, LEED AP
    Specs Writer
    Jacobs
    Fort Lauderdale FL
    786-326-5881
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  • 2.  RE: Long form and Short Form question

    Posted 05-08-2024 06:41 AM

    Of course. All the time. The decision is totally up to you. Masterspec SF and FL are being replaced with Specpoint. 



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    Galen Plourde CSI, CCS, AIA
    Architect
    SPECwright Strategies
    Greenville SC
    864-234-3630
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  • 3.  RE: Long form and Short Form question

    Posted 05-08-2024 01:49 PM

    We more often "whittle down" full length sections rather than maintain separate full length and short form specification masters. We often vary our approach on projects. For mission critical items like waterproofing and roofing, a hefty Part 1 with QA requirements and QC requirements in Part 3 are usually called for. For installing toilet partitions, a simpler section is often enough. So back to your question: We start with full size; edit our own Short Form section masters, and don't bother with subscription Short Form masters because they usually take out something that we want in.

    Before you ask: We're not fond of Sheet Specs. They are time consuming to write because of the decisions needed to make them that small. They may work for negotiated simple projects with teams that have a high level of experience and cooperation.

    Hi to Galen!



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    Philip Kabza RA, FCSI, CCS, AIA, SCIP
    Principal
    SpecGuy Specifications Consultants
    Mount Dora FL
    704-367-1991
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  • 4.  RE: Long form and Short Form question

    Posted 05-08-2024 01:59 PM

    Usually try to keep it to one or the other, coordinating with the package Delivery (SD, DD, CD) but if working on an early package and I have the full form ready, and know it won't change much, I will include a Long form in with the Short Form package.  Will never include a Short Form if all the rest of the package is Long Form - Causes too much confusion.



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    Christopher Davis CSI, CCCA, CDT, AIA, LEED AP
    Sr. Architect
    Gresham Smith
    Dade City FL
    813-769-8932
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